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		<title>By: NotADad</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-8772</link>
		<dc:creator>NotADad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my old threads.  Whatever happened with this jonb? </description>
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		<title>By: jonb</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3503</link>
		<dc:creator>jonb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I thought I would give an update on the whole situation.  I confronted her about the email to the ex and fought/talked through it and here’s what came of it.  She told me she was hurt and devastated by us breaking up.  She has been harboring feelings of guilt because Noah is without his “daddy.”  She has always tried to keep Brandon in Noah’s life and fought so hard because she doesn’t want Noah to grow up feeling she didn’t try hard enough or blame her for his daddy not being there.  She said she loved the idea of Brandon coming back and them being a family.  I told her it wasn’t her responsibility to make him be a father.  He made his choices, not her.  I pointed out that she would never move away or leave her son, and that it is not anything you did, but who he is.  I pointed out that she was miserable with him before, so why would she even think of it?  She said that if it meant being unhappy she would do that for Noah.  She said she was hurt and scared and reached out, but that she realized she loved me more, that she felt real passion and love for me, and that she didn’t want him.  She told me she felt violated by me going through her email (which I understand and feel terrible for doing) but that she wanted to keep trying to make things work.  She said she loved me and that is basically where things are.  

I went over last night to have dinner and change my oil (my tools are at her place).  Noah loves using my car jack so while she cooked he and I worked on my car.  He jacked the car up as much as he could and then I took over.  While I worked he watched and kept saying “good job” or played with my socket wrenches.  Once I finished dinner was ready and we all ate outside.  One thing Courtney does is cook a hell of a meal.  We talked and told each other about our days, and it really was nice.  Given the events of the last month there was definitely an elephant in the room, but it was a nice evening.  I did the dishes while they took a bath, then Noah and I threw his playground ball back and forth in the hall way while she folded laundry.  He went potty and I helped her for a few minutes then resumed my ball throwing duties once he finished “going poop.”  After he got in bed there was definitely an awkward sort of feeling in the air as we both seem to be dancing around the issues.  I did stay the night because it is an hour drive to my place and I get “carcilepsy” as she puts it.  We held hands in our sleep but nothing more as despite the love we have done a lot of damage lately to each other.  

I think there is a chance we may start trying again and moving very slowly.  I do love this woman and am willing to put in the work if she is willing to be more balanced and meet me half way on things.  Trust has been eroded between us, and though I did violate her privacy (which she is deeply offended by, and I understand) I still feel the half truths and emotional breakdown that led to her emailing the ex is much worse in terms of being able to trust.  I pointed out to her this morning that I gave her the truth, always, even if she wouldn’t like when it came to who I had dated or slept with.  I told her that the truth is more important than whether you like it or not, or if it hurts you.  Even if I know you won’t like the answer, because I wanted you to know that no matter what I would never lie to you.  I demand the same though, and I asked her how could I trust her completely, when she had gone back to him when things got hard?  What happens the next time we fight?  She was defiant and silent all at once, but I think it sank in.  

I’m not saying we are getting back together.  It may be impossible at this point, but I love her enough to consider it, and at least now I feel we could be friends in time.  I may be naïve or foolish, but we are not “back together” in any sense.  I am much more focused in work and my friendships, my tutoring and charity work, and much more aware of my own happiness and my self worth.  I am far from perfect, but I know I deserve respect and honesty.  I deserve to be treated far better, and expressed this to her.  I am still guarded and will listen to what she has to say.  I believe the love we share is at least worth that much.  

We moved too fast, got involved too soon after her breakup with Brandon, and bypassed so many things in making ourselves an “insta” family.  I think because our mistakes are so easily observed in looking back, we can seek to avoid them if we get to where we can trust again, and build something new.  We need more time alone, and if she is serious, then she has to accept this and be more willing to get a sitter.  Heck, I will pay for one if she arranges it.  I think that is fair. There are a lot of big “If’s” here, so time will tell.  I don’t know if I should be doing this or not, so a little guidance and opinion would be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I thought I would give an update on the whole situation.  I confronted her about the email to the ex and fought/talked through it and here’s what came of it.  She told me she was hurt and devastated by us breaking up.  She has been harboring feelings of guilt because Noah is without his “daddy.”  She has always tried to keep Brandon in Noah’s life and fought so hard because she doesn’t want Noah to grow up feeling she didn’t try hard enough or blame her for his daddy not being there.  She said she loved the idea of Brandon coming back and them being a family.  I told her it wasn’t her responsibility to make him be a father.  He made his choices, not her.  I pointed out that she would never move away or leave her son, and that it is not anything you did, but who he is.  I pointed out that she was miserable with him before, so why would she even think of it?  She said that if it meant being unhappy she would do that for Noah.  She said she was hurt and scared and reached out, but that she realized she loved me more, that she felt real passion and love for me, and that she didn’t want him.  She told me she felt violated by me going through her email (which I understand and feel terrible for doing) but that she wanted to keep trying to make things work.  She said she loved me and that is basically where things are.  </p>
<p>I went over last night to have dinner and change my oil (my tools are at her place).  Noah loves using my car jack so while she cooked he and I worked on my car.  He jacked the car up as much as he could and then I took over.  While I worked he watched and kept saying “good job” or played with my socket wrenches.  Once I finished dinner was ready and we all ate outside.  One thing Courtney does is cook a hell of a meal.  We talked and told each other about our days, and it really was nice.  Given the events of the last month there was definitely an elephant in the room, but it was a nice evening.  I did the dishes while they took a bath, then Noah and I threw his playground ball back and forth in the hall way while she folded laundry.  He went potty and I helped her for a few minutes then resumed my ball throwing duties once he finished “going poop.”  After he got in bed there was definitely an awkward sort of feeling in the air as we both seem to be dancing around the issues.  I did stay the night because it is an hour drive to my place and I get “carcilepsy” as she puts it.  We held hands in our sleep but nothing more as despite the love we have done a lot of damage lately to each other.  </p>
<p>I think there is a chance we may start trying again and moving very slowly.  I do love this woman and am willing to put in the work if she is willing to be more balanced and meet me half way on things.  Trust has been eroded between us, and though I did violate her privacy (which she is deeply offended by, and I understand) I still feel the half truths and emotional breakdown that led to her emailing the ex is much worse in terms of being able to trust.  I pointed out to her this morning that I gave her the truth, always, even if she wouldn’t like when it came to who I had dated or slept with.  I told her that the truth is more important than whether you like it or not, or if it hurts you.  Even if I know you won’t like the answer, because I wanted you to know that no matter what I would never lie to you.  I demand the same though, and I asked her how could I trust her completely, when she had gone back to him when things got hard?  What happens the next time we fight?  She was defiant and silent all at once, but I think it sank in.  </p>
<p>I’m not saying we are getting back together.  It may be impossible at this point, but I love her enough to consider it, and at least now I feel we could be friends in time.  I may be naïve or foolish, but we are not “back together” in any sense.  I am much more focused in work and my friendships, my tutoring and charity work, and much more aware of my own happiness and my self worth.  I am far from perfect, but I know I deserve respect and honesty.  I deserve to be treated far better, and expressed this to her.  I am still guarded and will listen to what she has to say.  I believe the love we share is at least worth that much.  </p>
<p>We moved too fast, got involved too soon after her breakup with Brandon, and bypassed so many things in making ourselves an “insta” family.  I think because our mistakes are so easily observed in looking back, we can seek to avoid them if we get to where we can trust again, and build something new.  We need more time alone, and if she is serious, then she has to accept this and be more willing to get a sitter.  Heck, I will pay for one if she arranges it.  I think that is fair. There are a lot of big “If’s” here, so time will tell.  I don’t know if I should be doing this or not, so a little guidance and opinion would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3447</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dexy&#039;s daddy was here visiting this weekend (he lives in Las Vegas and comes to CA about once a month to visit - it&#039;s always been that way, even when we were still a couple, which we haven&#039;t been now since April 2008). To say this whole situation is complicated would be an understatement... suffice to say, I know I still have a whole bunch of feelings for him, we did make a baby together after all. But he has said he doesn&#039;t know what he wants, even though it seems clear he isn&#039;t JUST coming to visit Dex, but me as well. But until he speaks up and says directly what it is that he wants, or doesn&#039;t want, etc. I have to keep moving forward and living my life &quot;as if&quot; we are never getting back together.

It&#039;s hard. I have NO idea what this will look like when she is 3, 5, 10, 14....

One day at a time is the best I can do. The rest I leave up to the two of them to figure out together. My involvement is really only peripheral at this point, I don&#039;t want to play &quot;house&quot; anymore.

Thanks for the tips, I know I need to move on completely before I start dating again (not even remotely READY to start dating, but you know, when I am - LOL).

Sigh.

Why does it have to be so up and down?

Cheers!

C ~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dexy&#8217;s daddy was here visiting this weekend (he lives in Las Vegas and comes to CA about once a month to visit &#8211; it&#8217;s always been that way, even when we were still a couple, which we haven&#8217;t been now since April 2008). To say this whole situation is complicated would be an understatement&#8230; suffice to say, I know I still have a whole bunch of feelings for him, we did make a baby together after all. But he has said he doesn&#8217;t know what he wants, even though it seems clear he isn&#8217;t JUST coming to visit Dex, but me as well. But until he speaks up and says directly what it is that he wants, or doesn&#8217;t want, etc. I have to keep moving forward and living my life &#8220;as if&#8221; we are never getting back together.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard. I have NO idea what this will look like when she is 3, 5, 10, 14&#8230;.</p>
<p>One day at a time is the best I can do. The rest I leave up to the two of them to figure out together. My involvement is really only peripheral at this point, I don&#8217;t want to play &#8220;house&#8221; anymore.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tips, I know I need to move on completely before I start dating again (not even remotely READY to start dating, but you know, when I am &#8211; LOL).</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Why does it have to be so up and down?</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>C ~</p>
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		<title>By: Lost in love....</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost in love....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it will. I have to live my life and perhaps we will come back. Only time will tell. 

And I truly meant what I said, I am better man for being in this relationship with her. You all have an infinite wisdom and it is truly spectacular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it will. I have to live my life and perhaps we will come back. Only time will tell. </p>
<p>And I truly meant what I said, I am better man for being in this relationship with her. You all have an infinite wisdom and it is truly spectacular.</p>
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		<title>By: mssinglemama</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3387</link>
		<dc:creator>mssinglemama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suzanne - everyone wants to steal Jon B. 

Lost in Love - time, time will heal the wounds. I wish I could help but love hurts, no easy way around it. Thanks for your sweet comments about us single moms - we eat that stuff up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suzanne &#8211; everyone wants to steal Jon B. </p>
<p>Lost in Love &#8211; time, time will heal the wounds. I wish I could help but love hurts, no easy way around it. Thanks for your sweet comments about us single moms &#8211; we eat that stuff up!</p>
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		<title>By: Lost in love....</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lost in love....</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any advice on how to forget the single mom you feel in love with and clearly know you both love eachother but timing is off.....? She is without a doubt the most amazing, wonderful, giving, and gorgegous person I have ever met.  And you all sound so blessed to be where you are.....I m very lucky to have met and dated this women...I only wish it could continue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any advice on how to forget the single mom you feel in love with and clearly know you both love eachother but timing is off&#8230;..? She is without a doubt the most amazing, wonderful, giving, and gorgegous person I have ever met.  And you all sound so blessed to be where you are&#8230;..I m very lucky to have met and dated this women&#8230;I only wish it could continue</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne B. (Crunchy Green Mom)</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne B. (Crunchy Green Mom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ve made a decision. I am stealing JonB and keeping him for myself!

It was a tough choice but... he&#039;s fabulous! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve made a decision. I am stealing JonB and keeping him for myself!</p>
<p>It was a tough choice but&#8230; he&#8217;s fabulous! <img src='http://mssinglemama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jonb</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>jonb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rae, i get your point now, i hadnt htought of that.  just goes to show that no two situations are the same and that the answer is just as dynamic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rae, i get your point now, i hadnt htought of that.  just goes to show that no two situations are the same and that the answer is just as dynamic.</p>
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		<title>By: rae</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/16/are-your-still-obsessed-with-your-ex/#comment-3340</link>
		<dc:creator>rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi jon,

Thanks for your response. I see your point about the trust issues, etc. However I think what differentiates my situation from everyone else who has posted to this thread is that I am only with my child HALF of the time. I think if my baby was with me majority of the time every week I would not be as concerned with the checking in or the appearance of a new significant other. But there is a large chunk of time that I do not get to spend with my child. 3-4 days of every week I am away from her and maybe if she was older and my role as her parent was more cemented I wouldn&#039;t have as many concerns. While I definitely am extremely fortunate that her dad is so involved, its hard not to feel like a part time parent. And he has made comments to the effect that if our daughter calls whoever he is dating &quot;mama&quot;, he won&#039;t correct her. Which is really not fair to me and is potentially very confusing to our daughter. I am well aware that I cannot control my ex&#039;s behavior when he has our daughter but since we are co parenting, we have to work together always to make sure we r both on the same page when it comes to what is best for our daughter. And things like daily checkins, we both agreed to at the very least one text msg a day from the parent who has our daughter at the time. There&#039;s no constant calling, etc.from either of us.

There is really no set blueprint for this. At times I do feel that it would be easier if we didn&#039;t have to deal with each other at all and if it was more like a business transaction but unfortunately, my child is so young...under 2 yrs old. Only time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jon,</p>
<p>Thanks for your response. I see your point about the trust issues, etc. However I think what differentiates my situation from everyone else who has posted to this thread is that I am only with my child HALF of the time. I think if my baby was with me majority of the time every week I would not be as concerned with the checking in or the appearance of a new significant other. But there is a large chunk of time that I do not get to spend with my child. 3-4 days of every week I am away from her and maybe if she was older and my role as her parent was more cemented I wouldn&#8217;t have as many concerns. While I definitely am extremely fortunate that her dad is so involved, its hard not to feel like a part time parent. And he has made comments to the effect that if our daughter calls whoever he is dating &#8220;mama&#8221;, he won&#8217;t correct her. Which is really not fair to me and is potentially very confusing to our daughter. I am well aware that I cannot control my ex&#8217;s behavior when he has our daughter but since we are co parenting, we have to work together always to make sure we r both on the same page when it comes to what is best for our daughter. And things like daily checkins, we both agreed to at the very least one text msg a day from the parent who has our daughter at the time. There&#8217;s no constant calling, etc.from either of us.</p>
<p>There is really no set blueprint for this. At times I do feel that it would be easier if we didn&#8217;t have to deal with each other at all and if it was more like a business transaction but unfortunately, my child is so young&#8230;under 2 yrs old. Only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jonb:
I think it&#039;s honorable that you love her enough to want to work on the relationship.  With that said, my interpretation of what you&#039;ve said on your blog IS that she is nowhere close to your level or worthy of what you have to offer.  

I pose a question &quot;Is it her that attracts you to her, or is it her son that attracts you to her?&quot;  &quot;Is it the idea of family life or having a family life with her?&quot;

The love of a child is a powerful thing whether it is yours (bio) or not however that doesn&#039;t mean you/anyone should stay in a &#039;toxic&#039; &quot;unhealthy&quot; relationship for the child&#039;s sake.

Unfortunately you are not her son&#039;s father and the only ties that you have to him are the ones she&#039;s allowed you to have.  

I made a promise to myself and for my son that I will not introduce anyone that I date to him unless I know that that person will be a permanent part of our lives.  I want to know that the man I am with loves me for me, that he is with me for me, NOT because he fell in love (fatherly) with my son.  Also, my son has no need to go through the attachment and separation emotions that go along with the person I would be dating. Basically he doesn&#039;t need men yo-yoing in and out of his life.

For me I don&#039;t consider dating a couple months to be a &quot;LONG&quot; term relationship, then to be introducing him to my son, then see how he interactions with him, to see could he be a good father type. I do feel that would play an important part in determining the longevity of the relationship (marriage) but it needs to come after we&#039;ve established that we are in a healthy relationship as a man and woman.

On the subject of stil obsessed with my ex: in a word HECK NO...  well that&#039;s two words  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonb:<br />
I think it&#8217;s honorable that you love her enough to want to work on the relationship.  With that said, my interpretation of what you&#8217;ve said on your blog IS that she is nowhere close to your level or worthy of what you have to offer.  </p>
<p>I pose a question &#8220;Is it her that attracts you to her, or is it her son that attracts you to her?&#8221;  &#8220;Is it the idea of family life or having a family life with her?&#8221;</p>
<p>The love of a child is a powerful thing whether it is yours (bio) or not however that doesn&#8217;t mean you/anyone should stay in a &#8216;toxic&#8217; &#8220;unhealthy&#8221; relationship for the child&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>Unfortunately you are not her son&#8217;s father and the only ties that you have to him are the ones she&#8217;s allowed you to have.  </p>
<p>I made a promise to myself and for my son that I will not introduce anyone that I date to him unless I know that that person will be a permanent part of our lives.  I want to know that the man I am with loves me for me, that he is with me for me, NOT because he fell in love (fatherly) with my son.  Also, my son has no need to go through the attachment and separation emotions that go along with the person I would be dating. Basically he doesn&#8217;t need men yo-yoing in and out of his life.</p>
<p>For me I don&#8217;t consider dating a couple months to be a &#8220;LONG&#8221; term relationship, then to be introducing him to my son, then see how he interactions with him, to see could he be a good father type. I do feel that would play an important part in determining the longevity of the relationship (marriage) but it needs to come after we&#8217;ve established that we are in a healthy relationship as a man and woman.</p>
<p>On the subject of stil obsessed with my ex: in a word HECK NO&#8230;  well that&#8217;s two words  <img src='http://mssinglemama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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