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		<title>By: NotADad</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-8964</link>
		<dc:creator>NotADad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW we are both Caucasian, as the police say on tv, not that this matters.  But from different countries. </description>
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		<title>By: NotADad</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-8963</link>
		<dc:creator>NotADad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning: 
 
&quot;&#8220;I can&#8217;t tell if she likes me or if she&#8217;s blowing me off. If I go by your advice I should be patient and expect her to keep me at a distance but how can I tell if she&#8217;s just not that into me?&#8221; 
 
I&#039;m having this issue now.  It&#039;s doubly complicated by some language barrier issues. I only very slowly approached her, over some weeks/months, just casual chatting in the local shop where she works, building up over time, leaving if she was too busy..   Big smiles all around.   A single mum friend of mine many years ago said slow was best with single mothers especially if she has reason to be cautious.    This lady describes her ex-husband as &quot;he is crazy&quot; so that sounds like reason to be cautious.  I&#039;ve ran into her with her kid once (not a date) and we all got on ok that once.  Whenever I saw her she seemed pleased. Gradually I worked up the courage before Christmas to suggest she come for a coffee or meal or something. Bring the kid if she wants, I didn&#039;t care.  But - stupid me - of course before Christmas is a bad time to try to make arrangements with people, and she was busy.  I tried for a new day but still busy.  How about Monday?  Maybe,  she said. So I said, ok I&#039;ll come and see you Monday.  I didn&#039;t, I&#039;d lost the momentum by then and got sick for a while anyway. I have avoided her pretty much for some months after trying to ask her out. 
 
Anyway: recently, she disappeared.  After some weeks I began to wonder if she&#039;d vanished and along with it the possibility of connecting.  So I very casually asked her boss, who I chat to occasionally, what had happened to her.  I was suddenly scared she had left the city.  He said she&#039;d been hospitalized and very sick with an infection, but was now much better and would be back in some days.  I was very concerned - genuinely - I like this woman. 
 
So today, she reappears.  We just make eye contact as I walk past the shop.  I come shortly after and ask all about her illness and express my concern and ask after her kid.  She looks pale gray but ok, says she&#039;s still tired all the time.  Her English seems to have slipped a few notches in the intervening months but we communicate. We both seemed a little nervous - I think that is a good sign.   But at least contact has been re-opened.  I&#039;m hoping I can take it somewhere from there.   My gut says she likes me, but my head is not at all sure.  My gut says: she really was busy near Christmas, everybody is.  My head says: if she really liked me she would have moved something backwards or forwards to see me.  She&#039;s quite a bit younger than me, from a different culture (not Asian), and prettier than me also.  But she seems to like talking to me.  I think there is some spark.  
 
I&#039;m scared of dating and rejection after a long hiatus - very long.  I never liked dating anyway, always amazes me when people say dating is &quot;fun&quot;. It wasn&#039;t fun when I was 15 and it isn&#039;t fun now.  For me it was only ever fun when the tensions and formalities were over, and them I could relax and enjoy the person&#039;s company.   It&#039;s a painful ritual like having your skin ripped off but it is necessary in order to make contact with somebody romantically and/or sexually. 
 
I know men that post here asking for advice seldom get any, perhaps appropriately, so I won&#039;t ask. 
 
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<p>&quot;&ldquo;I can&rsquo;t tell if she likes me or if she&rsquo;s blowing me off. If I go by your advice I should be patient and expect her to keep me at a distance but how can I tell if she&rsquo;s just not that into me?&rdquo; </p>
<p>I&#039;m having this issue now.  It&#039;s doubly complicated by some language barrier issues. I only very slowly approached her, over some weeks/months, just casual chatting in the local shop where she works, building up over time, leaving if she was too busy..   Big smiles all around.   A single mum friend of mine many years ago said slow was best with single mothers especially if she has reason to be cautious.    This lady describes her ex-husband as &quot;he is crazy&quot; so that sounds like reason to be cautious.  I&#039;ve ran into her with her kid once (not a date) and we all got on ok that once.  Whenever I saw her she seemed pleased. Gradually I worked up the courage before Christmas to suggest she come for a coffee or meal or something. Bring the kid if she wants, I didn&#039;t care.  But &#8211; stupid me &#8211; of course before Christmas is a bad time to try to make arrangements with people, and she was busy.  I tried for a new day but still busy.  How about Monday?  Maybe,  she said. So I said, ok I&#039;ll come and see you Monday.  I didn&#039;t, I&#039;d lost the momentum by then and got sick for a while anyway. I have avoided her pretty much for some months after trying to ask her out. </p>
<p>Anyway: recently, she disappeared.  After some weeks I began to wonder if she&#039;d vanished and along with it the possibility of connecting.  So I very casually asked her boss, who I chat to occasionally, what had happened to her.  I was suddenly scared she had left the city.  He said she&#039;d been hospitalized and very sick with an infection, but was now much better and would be back in some days.  I was very concerned &#8211; genuinely &#8211; I like this woman. </p>
<p>So today, she reappears.  We just make eye contact as I walk past the shop.  I come shortly after and ask all about her illness and express my concern and ask after her kid.  She looks pale gray but ok, says she&#039;s still tired all the time.  Her English seems to have slipped a few notches in the intervening months but we communicate. We both seemed a little nervous &#8211; I think that is a good sign.   But at least contact has been re-opened.  I&#039;m hoping I can take it somewhere from there.   My gut says she likes me, but my head is not at all sure.  My gut says: she really was busy near Christmas, everybody is.  My head says: if she really liked me she would have moved something backwards or forwards to see me.  She&#039;s quite a bit younger than me, from a different culture (not Asian), and prettier than me also.  But she seems to like talking to me.  I think there is some spark.  </p>
<p>I&#039;m scared of dating and rejection after a long hiatus &#8211; very long.  I never liked dating anyway, always amazes me when people say dating is &quot;fun&quot;. It wasn&#039;t fun when I was 15 and it isn&#039;t fun now.  For me it was only ever fun when the tensions and formalities were over, and them I could relax and enjoy the person&#039;s company.   It&#039;s a painful ritual like having your skin ripped off but it is necessary in order to make contact with somebody romantically and/or sexually. </p>
<p>I know men that post here asking for advice seldom get any, perhaps appropriately, so I won&#039;t ask.</p>
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		<title>By: NotADad</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-8737</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also: a single rose can say as much as a dozen roses as a simple sweet gesture at an  early dating stage.  I&#039;ve made the numerical floral overkill mistake before - it makes a guy look too keen, too easy.  She&#039;ll think she has you by the balls.  Save the dozen roses for something special or for after a fight (though I have to say here that a zillion red roses have seldom done me any good after a fight - they are either going to forgive you or they are not, floral bribery notwithstanding. If they are not, usually they never will, even if you buy them a whole flotilla of ships full of flowers rowed into her driveway in a gold-lined canal, full of goats milk, dug by naked nubian slaves, all singing her name in eight part harmony). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also: a single rose can say as much as a dozen roses as a simple sweet gesture at an  early dating stage.  I&#039;ve made the numerical floral overkill mistake before &#8211; it makes a guy look too keen, too easy.  She&#039;ll think she has you by the balls.  Save the dozen roses for something special or for after a fight (though I have to say here that a zillion red roses have seldom done me any good after a fight &#8211; they are either going to forgive you or they are not, floral bribery notwithstanding. If they are not, usually they never will, even if you buy them a whole flotilla of ships full of flowers rowed into her driveway in a gold-lined canal, full of goats milk, dug by naked nubian slaves, all singing her name in eight part harmony).</p>
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		<title>By: NotADad</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-8736</link>
		<dc:creator>NotADad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno about flowers.  For an occasion, or to make an occasion, these are a good thing I think.  Icing on the cake.   Too early, like the first or second date, is bad.   It implies romantic intentions when it may not yet be clear there should be any.   This could in part be cultural and does depend on the people.  After a big romantic event, like first sex or perhaps just a lovely time together, it might be a good idea, again depending on whether it is likely the particular woman actually sees that as a romantic event and not just a roll in the hay.  If she is a member of a promiscuous subculture and has a lot of sex, I&#039;d skip the flowers until it&#039;s clear I mean something.  Maybe it&#039;s just me but I think flowers say something, they are highly symbolic, it&#039;s like: i wanna go steady.  And that may not be appropriate at all very early in a relationship.  It could be putting too much on the table too soon.  But then, what the hell would I know. 
 
Oh, and: never. ever, ever, ever miss or forget a woman&#039;s birthday when you are supposed to now when it is.  She&#039;ll hate your guts forever. 
 
Women from low socioeconomic backgrounds can have pretty rudimentary expectations of men - eg as long as you don&#039;t fart too loudly at the table, don&#039;t hit them, and that you only pass out drunk and stoned without vomiting on the couch.  They will think you are from mars if you start behaving too hoity toity like you learned at Princeton or Oxford.  It&#039;s just that they don&#039;t always know many men with that very different background and it probably makes them uncomfortable.  That one&#039;s hard - I am definitely not a snob but there can be inverse snobbery from women who don&#039;t know better. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno about flowers.  For an occasion, or to make an occasion, these are a good thing I think.  Icing on the cake.   Too early, like the first or second date, is bad.   It implies romantic intentions when it may not yet be clear there should be any.   This could in part be cultural and does depend on the people.  After a big romantic event, like first sex or perhaps just a lovely time together, it might be a good idea, again depending on whether it is likely the particular woman actually sees that as a romantic event and not just a roll in the hay.  If she is a member of a promiscuous subculture and has a lot of sex, I&#039;d skip the flowers until it&#039;s clear I mean something.  Maybe it&#039;s just me but I think flowers say something, they are highly symbolic, it&#039;s like: i wanna go steady.  And that may not be appropriate at all very early in a relationship.  It could be putting too much on the table too soon.  But then, what the hell would I know. </p>
<p>Oh, and: never. ever, ever, ever miss or forget a woman&#039;s birthday when you are supposed to now when it is.  She&#039;ll hate your guts forever. </p>
<p>Women from low socioeconomic backgrounds can have pretty rudimentary expectations of men &#8211; eg as long as you don&#039;t fart too loudly at the table, don&#039;t hit them, and that you only pass out drunk and stoned without vomiting on the couch.  They will think you are from mars if you start behaving too hoity toity like you learned at Princeton or Oxford.  It&#039;s just that they don&#039;t always know many men with that very different background and it probably makes them uncomfortable.  That one&#039;s hard &#8211; I am definitely not a snob but there can be inverse snobbery from women who don&#039;t know better.</p>
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		<title>By: CraigH</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-5690</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... I&#039;ve just spent the last 45 mins or so reading these blogs... so much information and insight.  It&#039;s I am very new to the world of dating a single mom and looking for all the help I can.  

From the info I&#039;ve gathered it seems my instincts are correct.  I find myself with a greater appreciation and  understanding of patience, communication and support when it comes to my Ms. Mom.  

We&#039;ve talked quite a bit about the situation and ya, she&#039;s gun shy and I can understand that.  I&#039;ve told her that I&#039;m very interested and absolutely comfortable at proceeding at her pace.   Patience.

I also like to make it easy to think about dating me... simple gestures of making all the date plans, cooking for her, bringing the empty glasses and popcorn bowl to the kitchen.... seem to go over well.  So does the phrase &quot;don&#039;t worry, I understand...&quot; when dealing with cancellations, change in plans, etc.  I think that comes from knowing how many balls she&#039;s juggling in the air... and hearing more in this forum is helping understand her situation even more.

Even though I don&#039;t have kids, I am trying to learn from her and my friends about the demands of children.  I have a much great respect for you moms out there.  I just hope that I will always be doing things right by her. 

I look forward to reading and hearing more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; I&#8217;ve just spent the last 45 mins or so reading these blogs&#8230; so much information and insight.  It&#8217;s I am very new to the world of dating a single mom and looking for all the help I can.  </p>
<p>From the info I&#8217;ve gathered it seems my instincts are correct.  I find myself with a greater appreciation and  understanding of patience, communication and support when it comes to my Ms. Mom.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve talked quite a bit about the situation and ya, she&#8217;s gun shy and I can understand that.  I&#8217;ve told her that I&#8217;m very interested and absolutely comfortable at proceeding at her pace.   Patience.</p>
<p>I also like to make it easy to think about dating me&#8230; simple gestures of making all the date plans, cooking for her, bringing the empty glasses and popcorn bowl to the kitchen&#8230;. seem to go over well.  So does the phrase &#8220;don&#8217;t worry, I understand&#8230;&#8221; when dealing with cancellations, change in plans, etc.  I think that comes from knowing how many balls she&#8217;s juggling in the air&#8230; and hearing more in this forum is helping understand her situation even more.</p>
<p>Even though I don&#8217;t have kids, I am trying to learn from her and my friends about the demands of children.  I have a much great respect for you moms out there.  I just hope that I will always be doing things right by her. </p>
<p>I look forward to reading and hearing more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cindy</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-5604</link>
		<dc:creator>cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi-  I am searching for opinions for my situation. I am dating someone who had to take time off from seeing me on a steady basis as his office in Chicago is not doing well. He pretty much lives there. I have not seem him now for 2 months. We have been dating for almost 2 years. The trips to Chicago started about 5 months ago. We decided to stay connected during this time. We talk on the phone daily.  He is able to see us for a weekend to help with the pinewood derby race. Then the following weekend, I am going to Fort Myers, FL to take care of some business with my friend and she offered us to stay with her and my son can visit his father. Well, I discuss this with my partner, he ask to come and of COURSE I jump for joy. Yes! He buys a ticket and get the premium seats as he is tall. He encourage be to change my seats. I see that I have to pay $80.00 for the upgrade to premium seats and I am expected to pay for the hotel for 3 days!

I find it hard to meet his criteria for dating.  He carries resentment that he pays for dinner. I cannot cook to his level of satisfaction. Understand that I have to pay $15.00/hour for a babysitter in my home town area and my son is autistic to boot. So I pay huge medical bills and get no help from his father. My partner knows all of this and that I am using my savings until I sell my horse as I broke my back last year and can no longer ride.

Please let me know your opinions on this. I feel he is lucky that I wait for him until he winds up his business in Chicago so we can go back to dating on a normal basis. This &quot;waiting&quot; could take up to a year. My partner is somewhat successful and typically travels first class, etc as I cannot afford that level of travel.

Thank you for your time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi-  I am searching for opinions for my situation. I am dating someone who had to take time off from seeing me on a steady basis as his office in Chicago is not doing well. He pretty much lives there. I have not seem him now for 2 months. We have been dating for almost 2 years. The trips to Chicago started about 5 months ago. We decided to stay connected during this time. We talk on the phone daily.  He is able to see us for a weekend to help with the pinewood derby race. Then the following weekend, I am going to Fort Myers, FL to take care of some business with my friend and she offered us to stay with her and my son can visit his father. Well, I discuss this with my partner, he ask to come and of COURSE I jump for joy. Yes! He buys a ticket and get the premium seats as he is tall. He encourage be to change my seats. I see that I have to pay $80.00 for the upgrade to premium seats and I am expected to pay for the hotel for 3 days!</p>
<p>I find it hard to meet his criteria for dating.  He carries resentment that he pays for dinner. I cannot cook to his level of satisfaction. Understand that I have to pay $15.00/hour for a babysitter in my home town area and my son is autistic to boot. So I pay huge medical bills and get no help from his father. My partner knows all of this and that I am using my savings until I sell my horse as I broke my back last year and can no longer ride.</p>
<p>Please let me know your opinions on this. I feel he is lucky that I wait for him until he winds up his business in Chicago so we can go back to dating on a normal basis. This &#8220;waiting&#8221; could take up to a year. My partner is somewhat successful and typically travels first class, etc as I cannot afford that level of travel.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time!</p>
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		<title>By: How to Date a Single Mom, Part 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to Date a Single Mom, Part 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lammar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://mssinglemama.com/2008/09/02/how-to-date-a-single-mom-part-5/#comment-3094</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read all the comments...but I wanted to add..NEVER assume she can just drop everything to go out.  Before the kid, I could get a call and meet someone an hour and half later..Now, I usually need at least a day to find someone to sit, get things done that I had planned for the night, and just to get ready.

I have ended up not going on dates with some guys because they thought I was putting them off because they called at the last minute and I told them I couldn&#039;t because I had noone to watch my daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read all the comments&#8230;but I wanted to add..NEVER assume she can just drop everything to go out.  Before the kid, I could get a call and meet someone an hour and half later..Now, I usually need at least a day to find someone to sit, get things done that I had planned for the night, and just to get ready.</p>
<p>I have ended up not going on dates with some guys because they thought I was putting them off because they called at the last minute and I told them I couldn&#8217;t because I had noone to watch my daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: jonb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;10) flowers are nice, no denying that, but this can go both ways too. It is amazing to me what a great laugh I have gotten by bringing some small funny gift that relates to a conversation we have had….jelly beans, hot wheels car, band-aids.&quot;

This girl I dated a couple summers back went to see the movie &quot;Cars&quot; with me.  When she came down from DC for our next date she had a plastic model of the blue car from a Mcdonalds kid&#039;s meal.  The fact she thought of me while grabbing a quick meal and ordered the kid&#039;s meal was huge to me.  I felt way flattered.  

Sadly, she ate the kid&#039;s meal, so I didn;t get the chicken nuggets.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;10) flowers are nice, no denying that, but this can go both ways too. It is amazing to me what a great laugh I have gotten by bringing some small funny gift that relates to a conversation we have had….jelly beans, hot wheels car, band-aids.&#8221;</p>
<p>This girl I dated a couple summers back went to see the movie &#8220;Cars&#8221; with me.  When she came down from DC for our next date she had a plastic model of the blue car from a Mcdonalds kid&#8217;s meal.  The fact she thought of me while grabbing a quick meal and ordered the kid&#8217;s meal was huge to me.  I felt way flattered.  </p>
<p>Sadly, she ate the kid&#8217;s meal, so I didn;t get the chicken nuggets.  <img src='http://mssinglemama.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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