Comments on: Shared custody…shared toys?

By: Rebs

Rebs — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:51:07 +0000

I think you’re giving your Ex more credit than what’s due. I doubt he had any ulterior motives. Benjamin likes the train, so the train came with him.

It took me awhile, but I eventually came around to this thought for my own kidlet. The toys and clothes don’t belong to me or to her dad. They belong to her. She has clothes and toys at each home and takes a wee backpack back and forth that holds her teddy and her puffers. I may or may not see the clothes that I dressed her in this morning when she comes back to my place next Friday, but the clothes are hers. Whether she wears them during a Daddy week or a Mummy week isn’t a concern; just that she’s dressed! We each have a definite style that we each like for her (he’s big on pink, I’m big on, well, punk), so clothes generally end up back at the house of the parent that bought them.

You are – essentially – extending more than guest privileges to your Ex by letting him hang with Benjamin in your house when you’re not there. The only time my Ex has been in my home solo is when the kidlet has been sick and I’ve needed to leave but didn’t want her to have to leave her sickbed on the couch. And, even then, I made sure my laptop and personal stuff were put away in my closed bedroom.

By: Gayle

Gayle — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:28:26 +0000

My ex has the mentality that since he pays child support, I should be the one providing all clothes, supplies, toys, etc (pack a suitcase) when he has her. So, I get your frustration totally. My thoughts:

1. Ex is a guest/visitor in YOUR home and if he doesn’t act like one, YOU should treat him like one. Sounds like the ex is hanging out at your house unsupervised. That would be unacceptable in my world. Don’t let him get too cozy. You got divorced for a reason. There’s no reason to accommodate him.

2. This is not a problem with your Ex…he’s just doing what he’s always done…take advantage of you. This is YOUR problem to solve within YOURSELF. If you keep letting this go, your son will learn from the Ex that it’s okay to just take other people’s stuff for 1 reason or another…and he will learn from YOU that it’s acceptable if you keep letting it happen. NO, NO, NO!!! This is not something to worry about later thinking Benjamin is too young. He IS OLD ENOUGH to model you! Trust me!

3. Ex provides whatever the child needs when in his care. If he takes/wants/gets visitation, that’s his RESPONSIBILITY as a parent to tend to the needs of the child…that includes the stuff and the $$ it takes to provide the stuff…unless your divorce agreement says otherwise. That’s straight from my divorce attorney.

4. The train was taken because your Ex felt it was okay and has a sense of entitlement/ownership to your son’s stuff. Gheez! My 2½ yr old wants to take her toybox and everything else with her when we go to daycare or just the store. Not a big deal to distract her or just tell her no. It was your Ex doing the taking (most likely with a little begging from your son). The Ex needs to return the train and YOU need to make sure YOU never leave him unsupervised in your home.

Whoo. That felt good to get that off my chest.

By: mssinglemama

mssinglemama — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:02:10 +0000

Queen – he comes here to pick him up early Monday morning – usually hangs here until around noon – then they spend the night at his girlfriend’s house (yes – horrible) and then … he usually brings him back early Tuesday morning and spends the majority of Tuesday here.

I like the idea of setting boundaries for the big toys. Especially after this Thomas incident.

By: The Queen

The Queen — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:40:01 +0000

I can’t stop myself from “chiming” in.
So, this is a response to both recent posts regarding “sharing” parenting with the “dad”.
Am I correct in my understanding the “dad” comes to your house for visit time? I had this same situation for awhile in the beginning. My kids were 1 & 3 back then and it seemed easier on them during the transition period. However it was torture on me. When it became obvious my ex had no respect for me or my right to privacy in my own home, a new arrangement was invented. As they say “necessity is the mother of invention” and to me having my privacy was a necessity! I see this situation of yours as if it is a similar issue surfacing. Now that my kids are 7 & 9, we live nearly an hour from “dad” and this is much better than it was in the beginning. My advice is to separate spaces (even close by but separate works) and belongings. This is the way it has been forever now and the kids get it. They know home stuff stays at home and dad stuff stays at dads. Once they learn this, it really is a simple pattern for them to follow and they even quit asking about taking stuff with them. I respect the backpack idea but kids who go back and forth are already stressed enough without having to worry about leaving toys or clothes at the wrong house. Plus your little guy is little, tiny and it will be awhile before he can handle that level of responsibility. There is also the issue of teeny parts and pieces, the time involved in assembly and the joy of watching him enjoy this gift you gave him. For all these reasons, I can’t see that as an option for you right now. I don’t know if it is possible for you right now, but my best advice is the separate homes without any unsupervised privileges in each others homes. Making toys and clothes and food and diapers part of the package as well. It must be very expensive keeping up an ex and a baby all on your own! I hope this helps somewhat. Best of luck on figuring this out, I know it isn’t easy.

By: mssinglemama

mssinglemama — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:08:09 +0000

Hi Heiredal! There’s a bit of that, I’m sure. But really, when the time it took me to put the train set together just so (about 30 minutes) was basically wasted … that lost time makes me more angry than anything else…not even to mention the fact that his room is always left trashed after dads been here.

Very frustrating. So for me…it’s more the time issue and the threat of lost pieces. (Especially since I just spent a good chunk of change on that toy) Make sense?

Dr. Leah – you’re absolutely right. There will be a “discussion” the next time I see him. Going to elaborate on this in a post right now…so stay tuned.

By: Heiredal

Heiredal — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:41:10 +0000

Like Jenice, I don’t have kids. But could this be an issue that actually doesn’t have anything to do with the toys, setting it up again or risking to loose a piece?

I hate to even suggest this – and perhaps my way of thinking reveals more about myself and my ‘competitiveness’ than about mssinglemama. But could there be some level of jealousy in this matter?

Had it been me, I am sure that I would feel somewhat the same as described in the blog. But the main reason would be different. I wouldn’t like for my ex to get ‘popularity points’ with our kid because of something that I bought for her or him. In a situation like this, I would probably think that since I know my kid well enough to find the toy that brings the child the most joy, I should be the one who gets credit for it – hence it should be played with at my house!

By: Dr. Leah

Dr. Leah — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:54:06 +0000

This is always an issue that needs to be navigated when kids have parenting time with the other parent. Today it is “Thomas”; fairly soon it is school supplies, electronics, and all kinds of other “stuff”.

Responsible parents provide what kids need during the time the kids are with them. This includes food, clothing, and play things. Later on, of course, kids can take the responsibility for carrying school books and other possessions back and forth, as needed.

I’m unclear why Dad felt comfortable enough to dismantle something in your home and reassemble it in his home. When he said, Gee, is that a problem?” perhaps you might have responded, “Yes, it is. Please do not take anything out of my home without checking with me first.”

Please think about asking for the entire train set—every little piece–back and setting some boundaries. You’ve got a long haul with this guy. Today the train set; tomorrow who knows?

Best of luck!.

By: erzsi1113

erzsi1113 — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:55:20 +0000

Very frustrating. It should be a *small* comfort to know that like jennie said he’s tellling his dad that YOU bought him that train and he loved it some much couldn’t be without it for 24 hours.

My boys don’t take anything with them when they visit their dad now — not even their special stuffed animals they sleep with. My ex got sick of hearing how much they loved the stuff mommy’s house (with they call our house…daddy’s house is just daddy’s house) that he wouldn’t let them bring anything anymore.

He’s got control issues…(Maybe you could tell?)

I would definintely have a chat with his dad about it — Maybe he could pick out just one individual train instead of the whole set.

By: Hanna

Hanna — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:53:16 +0000

Every toy/blanket/set of clothes I’ve sent with my baby’s father never finds its way back. I don’t send anything with her anymore. Its his responsibility to make sure she had what she needs. One time she came back without the SHOES I sent her with.

By: mssinglemama

mssinglemama — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:35:37 +0000

Thanks for the advice mamas! I will take it all … there is a balance between letting him take things for comfort and just getting his way. Love the suit case idea – whatever fits…

And Angie – glad you feel that way – “the nerve of him” to take the damn train set.

Any one who’s set one of those up knows there are tons of little pieces and it takes time. We’ll find out tonight what’s missing. And I am definitely going to have a little chat with Dad about this.